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                                             June     2, 2014
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Continuing with some material
posted to the dailykos as            http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/19/1307271/-Towards-a-smarter-we
"Toward a Smarter We":
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Expanding on the exchange
I was talking about:

Ezra Klein, "How politics makes us stupid",
April 6, 2014:

http://www.vox.com/2014/4/6/5556462/brain-dead-how-politics-makes-us-stupid

  "To spend much time with Kahan’s research is to stare into
  a kind of intellectual abyss. If the work of gathering
  evidence and reasoning through thorny, polarizing political
  questions is actually the process by which we trick
  ourselves into finding the answers we want, then what’s the
  right way to search for answers? How can we know the
  answers we come up with, no matter how well-intentioned,
  aren’t just more motivated cognition? How can we know the
  experts we’re relying on haven’t subtly biased their
  answers, too? How can I know that this article isn’t a form
  of identity protection? Kahan’s research tells us we can’t
  trust our own reason. How do we reason our way out of that?"

Paul Krugman, "Asymmetric Stupidity", April 7, 2014 5:05 pm

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/04/07/asymmetric-stupidity/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

  "... the lived experience is that this effect is
  not, in fact, symmetric between liberals and
  conservatives. Yes, liberals are sometimes subject
  to bouts of wishful thinking. But can anyone point
  to a liberal equivalent of conservative denial of
  climate change, or the "unskewing" mania late in the
  2012 campaign, or the frantic efforts to deny that
  Obamacare is in fact covering a lot of previously
  uninsured Americans? I don't mean liberals taking
  positions you personally disagree with-- I mean
  examples of overwhelming rejection of something that
  shouldn't even be in dispute."

In the comments section you will see people like me bringing
up nuclear power:

Joseph Brenner April 8, 2014:

    "'But can anyone point to a liberal equivalent of
    conservative denial of climate change' Yes,
    unfortunately: the nuclear power issue. You see a lot of
    the same phenomena: cherry-picking expert opinion that
    agrees with you, dismissing any experts that don't agree
    as obviously biased (how do you know they're biased? They
    disagree with you). The parallels are particularly apt,
    because if you take global warming seriously, ramping up
    nuclear power use is an obvious thing to do (and yes,
    sure, push solar too-- it's not in the same class, but
    why not?)."

                                    Other commenters mentioned GMOs and
                                    (probably erroneously) the
                                    anti-vaccination movement.

I gather from some of Krugman's later writings, he was
not impressed with these examples.  Notably, soon
afterwards he wrote this New York Times column which
suggests that nuclear power is now irrelevant because of
the tremendous progress with renewable energy:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/18/opinion/krugman-salvation-gets-cheap.html

   "... Until a few years ago, the best guess was that it
   would proceed on many fronts, involving everything from
   better insulation and more fuel-efficient cars to increased
   use of nuclear power.

   "One front many people didn’t take too seriously, however,
   was renewable energy."

Krugman revisited the issue with "On the Liberal Bias of Facts",
April 18, 2014, where I think he gets the main thing right:

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/04/18/on-the-liberal-bias-of-facts/

  "What I tried to suggest, but maybe didn’t say
  clearly, is that the most likely answer lies not
  so much in the character of individual liberals
  versus that of individual conservatives, as in the
  difference between the two sides’ goals and
  institutions."

Here I am in the comments again, though I note that I was
trying on some ideas that are a little different than what
I'm saying here now, suggesting that there's a difference
between being the party in power and out:

   Joseph Brenner, April 18, 2014:

   "Start with an assumption of equivalent
   tribal bias (established by experiment) but
   combine that with an asymmetric need to
   reject reality, and you pretty much have the    Dan Kahan often tries to
   phenomena you're describing. This asymmetric    make the point that it's
   need may be largely (I would guess not          not just a question of
   entirely) due to being in power-- if you're     getting the right answer,
   in control, you're responsible for what         it's a question of how you
   actually happens, and the potential for         work it out.  You can't
   embarrassing cognitive dissonance increases,    give yourself credit for
   and the sense that you need to respond to       rational thought if you've
   criticism declines.                             essentially just lucked
                                                   out.
Then I get back to my usual line:

   "Myself, I'm one of the many people that
   keeps pointing to the areas where liberals
   are quite happy to reject expert technical
   opinion (the safety of nuclear power and
   genetically modified crops being two very
   apropos cases); but I really don't expect
   the anti-nuclear activists of the 70s to
   ever "mark-their-beliefs-to-market" and
   admit that they're responsible for the
   increased coal usage that's killed many and
   may have doomed the planet with CO2
   emissions.

   "No more than I expect economists of the 90s
   to consider that free trade agreements may
   have undermined environmental controls and
   labor conditions."

(I gather I was annoyed at Krugman's dismissive treatment
of my particular sub-tribe, hence the dig at the
end... Note that Krugman has been relatively silent about
his pro-free trade stance since his turn to the left.)


Dan Kahan commented on Krugman's "Asymmetric Stupidity" with amusement:

http://www.culturalcognition.net/blog/2014/4/9/more-on-krugmans-symmetry-proof-its-not-whether-one-gets-the.html/

   "The test for motivated cognition is not whether
    someone gets the 'right' answer but how someone
    assesses evidence."

    Kahan links to this on "motivated cognition": "Motivated
    reasoning & its cognates" by Dan Kahan, May 15, 2013:
    http://www.culturalcognition.net/blog/2013/5/15/motivated-reasoning-its-cognates.html

    "Motivated reasoning refers to the unconscious tendency
    of individuals to process information in a manner that
    suits some end or goal extrinsic to the formation of
    accurate beliefs. "


Ezra Klein returns, taking up Paul Krugman's question:
"What’s the liberal equivalent of climate denial?", April 23, 2014:
http://www.vox.com/2014/4/23/5642116/liberal-climate-denial

   "...  Krugman isn't looking at the lab. Nor is he
   looking at individuals. He's looking at political       And that's pretty
   coalitions. And that's trickier for Kahan's data to     similar to my take:
   refute. His experiments don't say anything about
   how political coalitions reason. It's possible that           WE_SMART
   liberals and conservatives have the same individual
   tendencies towards self deception but something in
   the composition of the liberal coalition provides a
   check that the conservative coalition currently
   lacks."

   "...  Political reasoning doesn't take place inside our
   heads. It takes place inside our parties."


In a recent post by Dan Kahan (who should really take it
easier on the snark until he learns to do it better) on       BURNING_LOGS
June 11, 2014, Kahan includes a graph of some of his data,
showing that anti-vaxxers exist across the political
spectrum This is not a good example of left-wing craziness:

  http://www.culturalcognition.net/blog/2014/6/9/got-facts-the-boring-ignorant-anti-liberal-science-communica.html




         Dan M. Kahan posts frequently on his blog at
         the "Cultural Cognition Project" site:

             http://www.culturalcognition.net/blog/author/kahan




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