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LOLITA_MOE


                                         February 24, 2011

                                                      AMERICANBEAUTY
As far as I can tell at a
distance, pedophilia is by no
means accepted or encouraged
in Japanese culture, but the
thought of it doesn't send
them into a panic the way it
does Americans.

   It's possible that
   that's true of               An exchange on alt.gothic
   "perversion" in              (I think) some years ago:
   general.
                                   "Japan has vending
   They don't have                 machines on train
   the passionate                  platforms that sell
   puritanism of                   girl's dirty underwear!"
   Americans, and yet
   it would be an                  "Yeah, but have you ever
   exaggeration to                 seen the expression on      But that's
   say that these                  a mother's face as she      just it:
   perversions are                 goes by one of those        scowled at,
   accepted.                       machines?"                  but not a
                                                               public
                                                               uproar to
                                                               have them
                                                               banned.
An extremely common American
reaction to anime is to complain
about it's lolita-syndrome, it's          E.g. see "The Rough Guide
apparent obession with little             to Anime", which isn't
girls as sexual objects.                  even sure what to make of
                                          the popularity of the
   My impression is that                  rather mild "Melancoly of
   this moralistic                        Haruhi Suzimiya".
   knee-jerk may be
   missing the the point...                           MELANCOLY


   I don't doubt that you could find
   some anime/manga that's so twisted
   it actually endorses (or appears
   to endorse) sexual relations with
   underage girls, but the otaku-yaki      Don't we need a
   I'm familiar with doesn't qualify.      joint term for
                                           "manga/anime/jpop"?

   Clearly, geezers lusting after
   schoolchildren are not approved of...

   They often seem to be regarded as
   buffoon figures: they're laughed
   at, and avoided, but not                   It could simply be that
   particularly feared.                       they don't really expect
                                              them to *do* anything,
                                              whereas American pervs
                                              are more enterprising.




A linguistic
puzzle: "moe".       (That's two syllables I think,
                     something like "mo-aye").


If you look at standard
write-ups of the meaning of
"moe" it's related to "budding":
it at least originally meant
appeal to a lolita-complex.

Since then I think it's
broadened, and is on it's way to
meaning almost any kind of fetish
("I have a pony-tail moe").

I gather "moe" doesn't imply quite as
strong an obession as 'fetish' does in
English, though that alone already       But then: 'fetish' isn't as strong a
seems very odd from an American          term in English as it used to be.
point-of-view, given the history of      It was once a synonym of perversion,
the term,                                but it's use has gradually changed.
                                         "I have a shoe fetish" doesn't mean
                                         what it once meant.
   That oddity -- presuming I've
   got it right -- of 'moe' being           Much in the way that "a fanatic"
   a weaker term than 'fetish' is           turned into "a fan", "fetish"
   the sort of thing I'm trying             is becoming a simple synonym for
   to put my finger on here.                "strong preference".



                           I've heard it claimed
                           that 'having a moe'
                           for something is less
                           extreme than the
                           obsession with
                           manga/anime implied
                           by the term 'otaku'.

                                                      But that's a tricky
                                                      one, too, because
                                                      'otaku' is one of
                                                      those terms that
                                                      was originally
                                                      meant as a term of
                                                      derision but has
                                                      since been embraced
                                                      by the people it's
                                                      supposed to describe.

                                                         SHAMELESS_DEVOTION



      There's a lot of humor about
      the sexual appeal of school
      girls, though they're not             In the manga "Love Hina" by Ken
      regarded as attainable.               Akamatsu (2002), issue number 1,
                                            one of the many women the male
                                            main character suddenly finds in
                                            his life is a 12 year old girl.
                                            His relations with this girl
                                            vary between avuncular and
                                            embarrassment that he finds her
                                            somewhat sexually attractive.

                                               It's embarrassing,
                                               but not terrifying.



        In one episodes of The Ouran High School Host
        Club (2006) the female fans of male-male
        emotional engagment shout "Moe! Moe! Moe!" in        FUJOSHI
        appreciation.  Is that a sign of "Moe" coming
        unstuck from "budding"?  But one of the guys
        involved is a young-cute type, so maybe the
        association is still there.


The sexual appeal of high school
girls is a running source of humor          And throughout
throughout the Haruhi series.               much other anime.

The opening of the show has Haruhi
determinedly stalking across the
screen, with the camera zoomed in on
her flouncing school uniform miniskirt.

They cut to her doing a cheerleader
act determinedly bouncing her breasts
at the camera, and then cut to Mikuru       In the opening sequence, everyone
reluctantly doing the same act,             moves in character: The humor is
bouncing her even larger breasts,           a humor of recognition.
with eyes squeezed shut in embarassment.
                                                In the closing sequence, all
                                                the characters join together
                                                in a group synchronized
                                                dance, all moving out of
                                                character-- Mikuru doesn't
                                                stumble; the male figures do
                                                camp/cute maneuvers along
                                                with the girls--

                                                    The humor is a
                                                    matter of contrast:
                                                    the familiar figures
                                                    behaving in a
                                                    strange way.


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