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ENGINE_OF_CULTURE


                                             October 5, 2019

                                                           I've gone over this
The thesis is that New York City has been an               idea several times:
"engine of culture" throughout the 20th
Century, regularly generating radically new                    EAST_OF_THE_EAST
phenomena that spread widely:                                  STALLED

  10s      village writers (O'Neill, Millay)                             HIPHOP
  20s/30s  pulp / radio drama                                     
  40s/50s  beat / avant classical / bop / comic books              
  60s      folk / hippie / free jazz / pop art / madav ads        
  70s      punk rock / hip-hop
  80s      new wave/goth club culture                        That's an attempt
  90s      downtown (Zorn et al)                             at being
                                                             inclusive, even
                                                             so I suspect
Then, near the close of the 20th century,                    there's more that
this essentially stops:                                      can be included.

"An engine of culture has been broken."                      If you can think
                                                             of more things
                                                             that should be
                                                             added from before
                                                             2000, that makes
                                                             the thesis
   To weaken this thesis                                     stronger.
   you need to come up with:

     o  major things I've missed from *after* 2000

   Almost as good:

     o  major things from *outside* the NY area
        back before 2000.

        Such as:

          o  the modern art scene that came out
             of Europe: 20s/30s

          o  the house/techno/rave music from Detroit
             in the 90s

          o  Detroit car culture

          o  rock n' roll     -- southern US

          o  psychedelic rock -- California              Q: psychedlic drugs
                                                         themselves? Do drug
          o  Hollywood movies: 20s on.                   fads belong here?
                                                         Sexual scenes?
          o  the personal computer from
             Silicon Valley: 70s/80s                        That's a pretty
                                                            strong list of
          o  the web/internet from the Bay Area: 90s        contenders--
                                                            perhaps you can see
                                                            evidence of the
                                                            West Coast rising
I am *not* saying that nothing cool ever happens            in significance as
in New York any more-- the point is that the                New York began to
things that do happen aren't of major,                      stumble.
revolutionary significance any more.

It is also not a claim that nothing interesting never
happens elsewhere-- e.g. someone brought up the case of
Olympia Washington punk scene, but while I grant that
some really good, even great, bands came out of there,
it pales in significance compared to CBGBs.


      When I just dash off a list
      off significant cultural products
      from New York, I sometimes make         The dumbest odd lapse: sometimes I
      some peculiar lapses.                   leave off "hip hop": it came out of
                                              NY in the same time period as punk,
                                              and it also had a huge degree of
      An odd lapse: skipping any type         influence.  It's also arguably been
      of jazz: I might identify as a          much more musically creative than
      jazz fan of a sort, but my              punk, which after all was a
      personal knowledge of the               back-to-basics movement.
      history of the various
      sub-types of jazz is so weak,
      off the top of my head I don't
      quite know what should be                   On the list above I'm making
      associated with where and when.             an effort to include more the
                                                  more commercial cultural
                                                  phenomena; pulp, radio drama,
                                                  comics, advertisements...


                                  I would guess there's still
                                  more that could be added:
                                  e.g. from the visual arts



What are the possible causes?

  o  gentrification:  the renewed economic success (post "great inversion")
     has choked off any possibility of an arts scene, which is a
     hightly speculative activity which is never likely to have a
     huge financial return.



  o  self reinforcing publicity-- once NY became
     media-central, anything that broke there got      Critical to the beat
     publicized                                        scene was a John Cellon
                                                       Holmes piece in the New
                                                       York Times.


  o  attractor of strangeness: anyone with a scheme,
     or anyone who who feels out-of-place was likely     Punk: Richard Hell, Tom
     to gravitate to the Big City.                       Verlaine, Patti Smith,
                                                         David Byrne...

                                                         Beat: key figures
                                                         came to NY as
                                                         Columbia undergrads

  o  demographics: the NY tristate area is a big chunk
     of the population:  NY's influence may seem strong,
     but not necessarily when considered on a per capital
     basis.


  o  the internet: it's sometimes argued that the
     rise of the internet was the death of localized
     scenes-- nothing evolves out of a single
     geographically-based community any more.


  o  time-lag illusion.  Things that *seem* minor sometimes seem
     huge in retrospect (a handful of proto-beats in upper
     Manhattan; a handful of bands in a skid row dive bar)

     Looking back on the 2010s from ten years later might not
     be long enough to evaluate what was happening back then.






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