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                                                     July 04, 2021
                                                     July 21, 2021

A sketch of some notes on an interview in
2020 of Renee DiResta, conducted by
Vidya Krishnamurthy:

Claire Wardell term: "information disorder"



   misinformation-- inadvertantly wrong
   disinformation-- intent to influence and intent to decieve
                    not always *untrue* so not exactly lies
   propaganda--     information with an agenda.  (attempts at influence?)
   fake news--      completely made up lies,
                    demonstrably untrue but outrageous click bait.



who runs campaigns:

   state actors                government
   domestic partisans          local volunteers, poltical groups
   extremists                  ?
   spammers                    commercial, "remarkably inovative"
   conspiracy theorists        ?    (What? CTFO, seriously?)


conspiracy theorists:

    Remarkably dynamic, their passion to communicate
    at all times about what they believe.

    No counter-speech.


    (So, that breakdown is a melange of different
    attributes and categorizations; including nearly
    content-free terms like "extremists".)                Beware of the
                                                          modrats.
goals:
                                                          They're always,
    distract                                              by definition,
    persuade                                              the only reasonable
    entrench                                              people.
    divide
                                                          Talk about being
                                                          immune to
                                                          "counter-speech".
How about:

    discourage, alienate

        Propaganda designed to make you feel like
        you're an outsider, an isolated weirdo who
        has no one on your side.


phrase:

  "flood the zone"

    Turning a truth into a controversy,
    a who knows which story might be right?

Vidya Krishnamurthy:

    "muddy the waters", make truth, facts impossible

confidence intervals on

   what do we think happened, who do we think was behind it.

"By the time a story has gone viral, it's over."

The internet was originally celebrated for
the "removal of the gatekeepers",
"but the editors ... had some value".

    "That curation process, when run by an AI,
    is not surfacing the kinds of things we want."


The AIs are "remarkably effective at finding correlations"

    "You see this intersection of people who share one
    angle of their thinking, and the platform recognizes
    that and pushes those people together, without really
    understanding what it is they're nudging."


    "how do you design a content moderation regime
    that deals with some of the content, how do you
    decide what behaviors are appropriate"


network activism:

    anyone can do it
    no guardrails on the system
    anyone can use the tools
    without any sort of oversight.

    if you don't want the platforms deciding what
    stays up and what stays down

    they have to be more adept at curating and
    thinking about who they're nudging together

    what kind of content they're inavertantly
    amplifying and what the downstream harms of
    that content are



The sheer quantity of double-talk (and double-think)
in every one of DiRestas pronouncements is truly mind-
numbing:

    We don't want them to decide, 
    but we want them to decide.                       

    Anyone can post anything, yay, freedom!
    As long as no one can see it.

    If people are seeing *certain* things too
    much, we're not going to *ban* it, we're 
    just going to "nudge" them away from it.

    So: who decides what "downstream harms" are a big enough concern,
    who decides what "downstream harms" are likely to be caused by
    particular information from where, etc.

    This is not going to be a government
    censorship office (That Would Be Wrong),

    Instead the ministry of truth is going to be
    *inside* the socmeds, the masters of the
    algorithm had better do a good job or we're
    going to be very very angry with them, and hit
    them with more hearings

        (Unless of course, they pony up some
        nice campaign contributions, then we
        might let it slide again.)
        


The only type of recognized harm has been
"immediate incitement to violence"
but that's "not the only type of harm",         Doesn't sound right to me:
now we have the example of covid-19.            offering unqualified medical
                                                advice has always been
                                                regarded as dubious, right?



   "How do we decide, in this world of very
   fast paced viral commentary how should the
   platforms engage and potentially-- in my
   opinion, one of the best things they have at        
   their disposal is to reduce that virality,       
   to throttle it, to introduce friction.  That     Here she starts to         
   at least would give the fact checkers time       sound like she's saying
   to come in and try to help people understand     the kind of stuff I    
   this information in context."                    might say:             
                                                    
                                                         DRAG
                                                    

                     The difference: my point would be that
                     slowing *everything* down is something that
                     can be done in an even-handed manner by
                     government fiat.

                     What DiResta wants is some sort of selective
                     drag applied to certain kinds of messages
                     from certain kinds of sources and she seems
                     allergic to stating where the boundaries are
                     going to be, and what agency is going to
                     decide the edge cases.


  Later on, the interviewer remarks:

     "We need to make sure we're repeating 'legitimate' voices."

  This leave me wondering:

       Can you guys *examine one of your assumptions* just once?

           Just unpack it, ask the next question,
           follow a chain of thought somewhere.

           You could start with "what is legitmate?"
                                                        
                And how about: "who is 'we'?"            

  Another remark: with 40 days to the 2020 election,
  facebook announced something vague about doing something
  to reign in the bad guys.

  The interviewer asks: "what do you make of that?"

  A really good question, I'd say...  And so DiResta
  takes the opportunity to spin all over the map:

  She mentions another group at Stanford:

      "Election Integrity Partnership"

  They've "chosen to focus very narrowly               
  on voter related narratives"                      I've re-read this      
                                                    phrase several times.    
                                                    Email me if it means    
                                                    something to you.    
                                                                     

"you want to look at stuff that's gaining traction,
or has the potential of gaining traction"

   This seems to be DiResta's central approach:

       Let 'em  say what they want,
       but if someone *listens*
       we better take action to block that.

She mentions "hopping from twitter to facebook"
as a sign that "maybe they need to take action".
And continues on with the usual torrent of odd phrases:

    "the platforms co-operate with each other"
    "we also have this relationship where they can cooperate
    with outside researchers as well"
    "multi-stakeholder approach to ... triaging these narratives"

"Triaging" is good.  Is that something
like censoring, or isn't it?              Triage is, of course, a principle
                                          invoked in medical emergencies,
  Myself, I can't figure out how          where scarce resources are
  anyone can talk about this without      allocated to people they're more
  alarm bells going off in their          likely to help.
  heads.  The fate of democracy is in    
  the hands of an oligarchy of big        "Triaging" is not a synonym for
  coorperations who are now               "pruning".  The triage nurse is
  *expected* to collude with each         not supposed to be asking "who
  other?                                  here *deserves* to live?"
                                         
  In order to do the-- vague-- bidding  
  of our lords and masters, who DiResta
  seems unwilling to name.


    Seriously, you don't need to be some sort of fanatic conservative
    to wonder what's going on with this.  If you *wanted* to trigger
    a bunch of conspiracy theories about big California IT companies
    hi-jacking an election, this would be an excellent approach to take.


"this is going viral lets reduce the virality,
reduce the number of shares while our
fact-checkers have an opportunity to come in"

    You see, if they were talking about, say
    shutting down *all* political discussion
    in the week before the election, that
    might be hard to implement, but at least
    I would be able to see what they're thinking

    What she actually seems to want is the
    ability to throttle the visiblity of
    particular messages-- perhaps based on
    the degree of virality?  Perhaps based
    on apparent foreign origin?                  And I find myself wondering
                                                 who "our" fact-checkers are.

DiResta also makes remarks like this:

    "if they are going to take something
    down, having a really clear policy line
    that's articulated that they can point
    to when they do the takedown so that it      Okay, so now we're going
    doesn't seem like an ad hoc act of           to have a *clear policy*
    censorship"                                  announced concerning what
                                                 kinds of things you're
                                                 allowed to say.

                                                 And that's not going to
                                                 seem like censorship?




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